The True Beyonder vs Beyonder (Pre Retcon) Thread starter Thespacelord;. But no matter, marvel characters have existed long enough to flick them. The only way Protege would copy Beyonder's powers is if Beyonder allowed it. Suggested by: #scarletking #theoneaboveall #toaaTOAA has no authority on Beyonder, nonetheless, Beyonder was the Supreme Being in the Universe of the Beyonders. and yes, its the considered the strongest character in fiction by all comicbook/anime forums. Both fighters understand to sum level that they each "become more powerful over time" but not the specifics (adapting to survive/zenkai boosts and transformations)The PR Beyonder was hands-down the most powerful antagonist Marvel ever produced, and the greatest multiverse-buster from any company. DC_Marvel_1000 said: " Kentaxx said: "Dude PR Beyonder was the most powerful being in comics outside of gods like TOAA ". Sppople. Beyonder Doom 14. 10 years agoTOAA, Fulcrum Scathan, Taimut post Ascension, PR Beyonder, Molecule Man, Mad Jim Jaspers, Chaos King/Choas War Hercules, OAA the Celestial if he really is more powerful than Scathan, Protege and. #2 deactivated-629d3023b5b49. Pre-Retcon is irrelevant (has been for decades) only current The Beyonder and members of his species count 1 versus 1 All try their hardest to win Round 1: Peak condition and trying hard Round 2: Augmentation (like sundipping for kryptonians) and trying hard. They are a weaker subsection of the Beyonder race that is nowhere near as powerful as the army that defeated the abstracts of the multiverse. Dude’s absolutely broken. PRB and TOAA are both on equal grounds as Supreme Beings. So I might be missing something. Comics . 1. Veldavana was the creator of the Tensei Slime Multiverse which consisted of all Concepts and infinite Planes of Dimentions. 1. A force that has created 4 separate planes of reality<dimension if you will>ie Death Fog's realm , Ruby eye , Darkstar and the last one i can't remember. Originally there was a purpose behind the Beyonder. Basically all Dragonball characters ever created in their most powerful form fight PR BEYONDER all at the same time. Nhiều Fan cho rằng One Above All (TOAA) là sở hữu quyền năng tuyệt đối và đứng đầu Đa vũ trụ và hơn hẳn Beyonder. Divine Creator 3. He even has some degree of control over it (like when he merged with Vulcan as a being of pure energy to give Vulcan the power he needed). I think the idea. Further to that point, the Pre ret Beyonder buy his own admission could be affected by the power of the M'kraan crystal. Both are in character. 9 years. Veldavana also existed in a plane void outside Everythingness and. Meaning he became everything and everyone. Manhattan's league. same gods in the marvel verse would effortlessly stomp kaguya. He'd have as much chance as an ant against omnipotence. He was the TOAA of his own multiverse, separate to that of the Marvel multiverse, before he came across the. 13 / 10. Otherwise he gets stopped by the big guns of Marvel who are multiversal++ like TOAA, The Beyonders (the race), The Fulcrum, Tiamut, Protege, PR Beyonder, PR Molecule Man, Scathan, The Living Tribunal, Heart of the Universe Thanos, etc. PR beyonder can take all and stalemate with TOAA. - MUSICvisual effects that I use in my videos!INSTAGRAM: nick_. But I just posted in death vs TOAA thread about DC cosmology. Not only this, due to scaling, Hajun has taken. 300 Xenomorph Warriors (Alien) r/LegionofSuperheroes • Legion of Super-Heroes (Volume 8) Interlac Translations Protege was getting the upper hand on Beyonder rather quicky b4 LT inturrupted their fight, i say Protege ". Beyonder but nemesis is one of the few who can actually compete. - MUSICvisual effects that I use in my videos!INSTAGRAM: nick_. He was TOAA, before he was introduced. IIRC pre-retcon Beyonder. 6th. Respect Sam Howell / SCP-3812 (The SCP Foundation) Scarlet King (SCP) Respect The Scarlet King (SCP Foundation) TOAA (Marvel) Respect One Above All (Marvel, 616) The Beyonder clearly held Scathan's power in deep respect. Living Tribunal cannot and has never once, not ever, enacted beyond universal destructive capabilities without the concent of TOAA. 9 years ago. . 493. -This version is considered to be Omnipotent. ago. Originally posted by galan7777777 yeah i know, it wasnt about the real god lol! damn isnt it amazing how a topic can go from spectre v. 5 Less Powerful: Galactus Galactus is terrifying in theory alone; his desire to consume entire planets have caused devastation since the beginning of time (as he is as old as the. Claymore1998. At that time, The Beyonder was more powerful than the Living Tribunal and thus everything else in the Marvel Universe. Follow 331. Thanos HOTU has a fraction of the power of the One-Above-All, the most powerful being of both the Marvel and DC Universes. Hence why people differentiate the beyonder as. 8 C. Forum Posts. Spectre probably. 8 years ago. But Thanos with HoTU became one with all. The Beyonder is an infamous member of the Beyonder race. He's above Dr. itsirk. Beyonder can manipulate the universe at his will, and on top of that, it is part of the reason why. Both have the same powers. Beyonder and TOAA can be equals in tier but completely different in power one is in awhile larger scale of exsistence than the other 1 sees his exsistence as laughable. However, PR Beyonder is an extremely powerful reality warper and is simply way out of Dr. Goku (dragonball) vs Darwin (marvel comics) Comics version of Darwin not movie. s. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. The Beyonders are powerful, but ultimately still finite. . The Beyonders are characters that exist within the boundaries of Marvel Comics, which means TOAA is more powerful than them. Valheim Genshin Impact Minecraft Pokimane Halo Infinite Call of Duty: Warzone Path of Exile Hollow Knight: Silksong Escape from Tarkov Watch Dogs: Legion. All Mighty: better feats, bigger multiverse, didn't get KOed by one of his creations. Pre Retcon Beyonder = TOAA > Eternity. The Presence stated that even he was shaped by “external” forces, whereas The One Above All is the one who shaped everything. This could also be used as. "NO beyonder is not on TOaa level lol "Yes, I am afraid he is. 0. Like this for instance in Secret Wars II beyonder was beyond the marvel multiverse, multiverse then later there was suddenly a omniverse all governed by TOAA, TOAA began with a multiverse and suddenly got a omniverse to play with, but do you see him get retcon no, but his power just grow exponentially, the same with LT in Secret Wars II he was. Astral Regulator beat TOAA because, as TOAA states in the issue, he was compromised at the time. deactivated-629d3023b5b49. ) should be banned from the Battles Forum, as any fight they're in will end with. Mismatch, this version of Beyonder is TOAA level. Michael Demiurgos vs Classic Beyonder. #3 Edited By Jmarshmallow. I think you could argue rather convincingly that he's the 2nd moat powerful character in all of fiction, only behind TOAA. Khorne. Sailor moon vs The Beyonder , i love that one , LOL! The Spectre vs Bloom (winx club)@DC_Marvel_1000: lol. Here is a scan where he states even he was shaped by external forces and he couldn't defeat the Great Evil Beast" camp and the "Yeah-huh, that scan is inconclusive as he could be referring to the writers and since the GEB was his other half, it might be just. Follow 1627. The winner would just be based on whose power takes priority over the other, which is arbitrary. No they don't, Beyonder (Weather it's Pre-Retcon or Post-Retcon) stomps Anti-Spiral and the whole Gurren Lagann universe. beyonder, to friggin TOAA v. PR Beyonder Stomps. This is a really difficult fight to answer, because neither have shown any feats that the other wouldn’t theoretically be capable of. In Character until it's necessary to KO each other in a one vs one battle for very bored looking TOAA want some entertainment battles Round 1. you are skirting the lines of the no-limits. Molecule Man Beyonder Power 15. It is implied he is God. " Current beyonder wins, But lets get this straight: This Kami dude, he is not equivelent to TOAA. Beyonder's legitimately more powerful. I get that TOAA not intervening in the Time. Juntai. As he had the ability to stop the Beyonder(s) should he have chosen. TOAA have failed. Not sure why this thread was even made Are you talking multiple pre retcon beyonders Or multiple current beyonders ( meaning the ones who killed TLT) Because this has already played out before Dr room stole their power but only with the help of molecule man and he's the one who held on to most ofbthe powerJul 2, 2016. the same Molecule Man that trapped the Omniverse in a box. #2 Edited By Kataklysmo. His. given TOAA's omnipotence is dependent on certain factors he's not a true omnipotent and doesn't have better feats than pre recton Beyonder, so being toaa or not wouldn't matterIs the Beyonder's anti-feat considered and do we take "omnipotence" at face value? Is Above All Others considered to be the same character as The One Above All, giving this entity an anti-feat? For the most part, I'd say TOAA is even beyond The Pre-Retcon Beyonder, but I can see arguments for why this isn't the case, or arguments for them. TOAA have failed. The Glory: description and feats. So there are two possibilities here. PR Beyonder had full backing by Marvel Boss, Jim Shooter to do anything he wanted. toaa can do whatever he wants to do with beyonder. He destroyed the Sun sometime in Ardas history. Buuuuut, Molecule man currently is back to his old power levels. In Immortal Hulk#50 TOAA said he becomes TOBA when he has to do. 3. Also, CA Superman's entire ability is to win. Max Deen. 0. Saying that Beyonder is stronger than TOAA is literally trying to say that Beyonder is above omnipotence. . The one above all beyond everything even beyonder realms. I nominate the presence and toaa for this. Aug 10, 2018Pre-Retcon Beyonder is the strongest here , he was basically the original TOAA before he got retconned , HOTU made Thanos second to TOAA & he was still manipulated by TOAA during the events of HOTUAnti-Monitor consistently gets knocked around by Kryptonians. You can't be above him. ago. ago. Bugs would take down the Beyonder easily, he'd just rewrite reality so that the Beyonder was a turtle. Thats because most Marvel and Beyonder know it all, like @Endless Mike do not post around here anymore. The latter is one of the few fights that's actually 10/10, as in there is no conceivable way for Dr. Jan 29, 2017. She/Her. 0. Team stomps 50% . A Golden Age Mxyzptlk is pitted against the "Secret Wars" era Beyonder. Yet beings like Nyatharlope can create infinite numbers of infinite universes of infinite dimensions easily. The Phoenix Force can do its best, but The Beyonder might capture it in a glass bottle and take it home like some odd curiosity one finds at a flea market. Isnt TOBA far weaker and limited than TOAABeyonder was basically God of his own universe (he was his own universe, so basically, he was a young/fresh TOAA comming into being! So he was to his universe/himself what TOAA is to the LT/Marvel U!The Beyonders and TOAA didnt really exist during Pre Retcon time from what i remember but i may of missed them, PRB was basically what the TOAA of the time. Seriously TOAA can erase everyone in all marvel universes without even trying heck he could fight them all at once, not even SS god Goku could stop him. ". Stalemate. Minor nitpick. So I might be missing something. Scp 3812 vs Anos vs Featherine vs Hajun vs Yogiri vs Golden Wondie vs Superboy Prime vs pre retcon Beyonder vs Sotha Sil. u/nullfather can attest to that. Follow 15315. It is capable of becoming a Multiversal threat, but it's vastly weaker than any of the Apollyon-Class SCPs. From secret wars there was only one beyonder. s. There is still reason to believe You Sothoth exceeds Beyonder. During PR Beyonder's time, the idea of TOAA had never been established. ago. HotU Thanos should win based on actual feats. TOAA also has some plot manipulation and reality warping feats. 1. He is the true Monotheistic Supreme God of the Marvel Omniverse and the sole master of the cosmic overseer; The Living Tribunal. Pre-retcon Beyonder. Dr Manhattan is a very proficient matter-energy manipulator. Forum Posts. Jun 12, 2019 #2. TOAA has complete control over every universe including 616. the Living Tribunal on the other hand is (depends on the current storyline) only defeated by Thanos with Hotu (which is basically TOAA) for a short time and by the pre-retcon Beyonder, who is a different chapter. Ok, this is what I thought. Gan & The Crimson King are good & evil sides of capital "G" God. I think HOI vision, GOS loki, GOP thor all beat astral regulator Thanos (arguments can show that gop and gos neg thanos) that's only to name a few, I'm sure there's more specially since u included non cannon. He'd beat composite Superman, let alone this robot. The Beyonder is a young member of the ancient race of multiversal engineers known as The Beyonders, and by far its most infamous and well-known one. Many sources say TOBA is equal in strength to The One Above All. Spiderman Cosmic Comic 8. Yeah, Beyonder is retconned, but still seen as a specific character. Beyonder = tier 2 being at absolute most. ago. Thanos Astral Regulator 19. In times where he was not the absolute power in the situation, it was passed off as an M-Body. Beyonder won't evenn make any difference more than the ant. Juntai. There was a guy that could copy powers that defeated the LT. His main motivation was to learn more about good and evil. Because I always thought we put the Presence on the level of TOAA, the supreme being from the Marvel Multiverse, but that Soul-Glo Jumpsuit Donny Osmond was above. Marvel had two God's, then changed to One Above. and yes, its the considered the strongest character in fiction by all comicbook/anime forums. Juntai. First debuting in Marvel Super Heroes Secret Wars #1, this Beyonder gave. . TOAA in fact survived. 1%. That's it. 0 coins. The Heart of the Universe makes this rather one sided. PR Beyonder was TOAA before TOAA was established, there was no character of TOAA before or at the time of Secret Wars 1 & 2. • 1 year ago. Look stuff up for it. is above the spectre and Living Tribunal. But this fight is a good one because Rimuru and Anos are also ones of the most powerful characters in fiction. Hykuu. Yeah, Beyonder is retconned, but still seen as a specific character. PR Beyonder is a casual multiverse buster. Neither of. In terms of creation, TOAA can copy or recreate Rimuru and Anos' power. the difference between TOAA and Beyonder is that TOAA embodies Marvel writers. He stomps all round. He is just beyond. Loki God Of Stories 17. Pre Nemesis she was the Infinity Being who really was the original TOAA if you really want to get technical. Team Michael: Lucifer Morningstar, Michael Demiurgos, full power Spectre, WF Mxy, Kismet, Rama Kushna, COIE Anti Monitor and Krona. Vize 2 mo 28 d. People rank Oblivion very high because of the statements made about him in Chaos War. Two deities would acknowledge each other and move on. TOAA was the only true Omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent being and would. So he could just kill them and the concepts they represent. 7 K. 2. Beyonder vs The Presence, Yahweh, TOAA. Beyonder vs The Presence, Yahweh, TOAA. Pre-ret Beyonder was not god, and he was not TOAA. 4 years ago. dunno where they went other than TOAA clapped his hands and they were gone. At this point who’s the strongest character this doom could beat and who would be the. " Like it could be as simple as that if the writer really wanted to. He was a unstoppable force that none of the abstracts (including Tribunal) could do anything to stop him. Yes. For instance, when he triumphs over the combined powers of Thanos and the Silver Surfer. So basically Superman is getting rolled over. Writers later on depowered The Beyonder, which resulted with other versions. It is as Cosmic Reign says. Beyonder might have more impressive feats. God Emperor Doom got his powers from the same Beyonders that Phoenix is confirmed to be above, so it doesn’t matter if you want to take the retconned versions or not, Phoenix will always be stronger than Doom. Also was TOAA until he got bored Haven't seen anything to suggest this new one can come close 1 year agoAbout Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. This thread is archived New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast comments sorted by Best Top New Controversial Q&A Bteatesthighlander1 •. #7. Lordobi said: "Thanos with the gauntlet is #1, Hell anyone with the Gaunlet is #1, Y'all are sleeping on Odin. TOAA is basically the Writer's manifistation with-in the story. if we are highballing then this Beyonder said to be the toaa before the toaa meaing he is omnipotent. s. I would say as well TOAA seems "more" omnipotent then Presence. Pre-Retcon Beyonder kills Thanos no matter what the circumstances are. Dante 1 y 7 d. It was the fake beyonder who claimed to be the embodiment of a multiverse from beyond ours, however after the retcon it seems people have been believeing that the true beyonders come from outside of our multiverse as well when instead they merely come form another dimension to our universe. TOAA (not the Above All Others version) is NOT The Presence counterpart (Marvel-DC), this character is the equivalent to The Writer. 9. vs. Dimensions in Cthulhu Mythos are weird, to say the least. and to become. TOAA also exists outside the comic as the writer and. Wiki Points. 47. Advertisement Coins. His powers exceeded that of even abstract entities present in infinite realms, coupled with the LT who holds authority over said entities to the point where their powers are a drop in the ocean to him. Yamcha will use his 0,00000000000001% power and Speed Equalized for this don't become a Spite Thread. and yes, its the. British_Tea_Company • 7 yr. Beyonder blinking can destroy universes and LON does. Lord Of Shambala 5. . Pre-retcon Beyonder. And that excuse about "They would be powerless in MU" is false because they embody God's Power and Will. State of mind: Characters will employ their usual battle strategies, including flaws. Actually PR Beyonder was TOAA of his own actuality (according to Stan Lee), the purpose of his original existence. and so Jim Starlin wrote Comics scenario, to his liking, how Thanos managed to take the astral regulator created by the TOAA and absorb it. Reply. Thanos mastering the Heart of the Universe does not equal him to infinity, or the one above all. 14 years ago. While the Living Tribunal is still the judge officially, the Phoenix Force can do everything the. Not comp marvel, Above all Others was confirmed to be TOAA (the one that Thanos defeated) 2. Pre retcon beyonder was stronger than all of marvel multiverse combined with exception of TOAA. They can literally do whatever they want. . Beyonder is not omnipotent since he couldn't bring death back. Lucifer and Michael are second to God, period. 3. Post-Retcon Molecule Man. Forum Posts. Forum Posts. One below all vs the beyonder. @professorrespect said: @chris2kzombieki said:Beyonder is tier High 1-B for being an infinite dimensional being meaning that the Marvel Universe has infinite dimensions confirmed. The only thing Pre retcon beyonder has going for him against featherine is that he was described as "god" in the beyonder realm to possibly put him on her level. . But despite the immense power, the chasm between The Living Tribunal and TOAA is infinite. "The Beyond" was quintillions of times more massive than the Marvel Universe. Your response is private Was this worth your time? This helps us sort answers on the page. TOAA isn't omnipotent anymore, and Beyonder is fodder. The One Above All | MCOC | TOAA VS THE BEYONDER | Special Attacks and Moves | Keanu Reeves in MARVEL Nick Coss 24. DC team : The Darkest Knight, Perpetua and Doctor Manhattan. The Chaos gods are tough to kill as they are powered by and represent concepts. Kitsunw. Originally posted by galan7777777 yeah i know, it wasnt about the real god lol! damn isnt it amazing how a topic can go from spectre v. beyonder Yep, lol. No one is that powerful. Comet is a Fun & Gaming Community where you can enjoy benefits for free! Daily giveaways, custom games currency | 5348 memberscalling themselves "God" (an Artist) and the "Collaborator" (the Writer) I presume TOAA. MOM hasn't shown any feats to suggest that he is on the same exact level as TOAA, let alone Pre-Recton Beyonder. This. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. TOAA (Shooter/Milgrom) in 85' created Beyonder to be the most powerful force in all Marvel. Pre-retcon Beyonder is crazy powerful, powerful enough to stomp the LT, but infinitely weak compared to TOAA. The one above all beyond everything even beyonder realms. He was initially depicted as functionally omnipotent showing feats like creating planets and destroying galaxies. If he was defeated then he’s not the. Almighty and TOAA are essentially the same thing so there's really no debate. . Jayfournines. Forum Posts. I think you could argue rather convincingly that he's the 2nd moat powerful character in all of fiction, only behind TOAA. He was the TOAA of another mutliverse that came to Marvel's multiverse. TOAA mops the floor with these two. TOAA is omnipotent. 1 Less Powerful: Odin. if anything. LT has always been 2nd to TOAA he's the sole judge of the multiverse and right hand man or thing of TOAA Beyonder would lose. 11 years ago. British_Tea_Company • 7 yr. The Living Tribunal is TOAA's right-hand cosmic entity. TOAA isn't omnipotent anymore, and Beyonder is fodder. But it turns out the current Beyonder is the source of the power for God Emperor Doom and technical Molecule Man. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. Juntai. 1 Answer. This would be a contradiction, as the only infinity existing in marvelverse with no equal is TOAA. If you have already registered once, do not do so again, and contact AKM sama if you encounter any problems. He was stated to be millions of times powerful than the Entire Marvel Multiverse Combined which even included The Living Tribunal and Molecule Man and We all know that Living Tribunal is almost as Powerful As Michael Demiurgos. omnipotent means infinite power. PR Beyonder is a casual multiverse buster. Premium Powerups . 5 T. Beyonder was basically God of his own universe (he was his own universe, so basically, he was a young/fresh TOAA comming into being! So he was to his universe/himself what TOAA is to the LT/Marvel U! The Beyonders and TOAA didnt really exist during Pre Retcon time from what i remember but i may of missed them, PRB was basically what the TOAA of the time. R1: Post retcon Beyonder vs Bleach verse. Wiki Points. He was a unstoppable force that none of the abstracts (including Tribunal) could do anything to stop him. The supreme maker does indeed scale above all possibilities, but i'm not sure that would beat toaa, but if you wank that hyperspace scan TSM has more of a chance against him. The One Above All (TOAA) is supposed to represent the writers of Marvel. In general as the Supreme Beings. bcs he is embodyment of writher than is boundless and far stronger than all characters hereYamcha vs The One Above All, Madoka Kaname, The Presence and Galactus. 3 years ago. In other words, every individual hero, villain, plant, animal and atom is just a part of TOAA, but TOAA is also more than the summation of all of these. A resisting Beyonder isn't stronger than a non-resisting TOAA, because the TOAA can do anything he wants so he never has to resist anything happening to him (I hope that makes sense)Quacken_ 6 mo 6 d. 567. Beyonder trivially. show 6 replies. Featherine. The original Beyonder was created for the Secret Wars (1985) miniseries. Molecule Man Beyonder Power 15. Job Burke 4. We help you decide what wheel is right you. As. Which is power explicitly above the Beyonder. 2. ~ Stan Lee Pre-Retcon beyonder could be said to be the "God before genesis" he was God before TOAA existed in the comics at that time, and when TOAA came into existence as an omnipotent character they had to greatly reduce the power of the Beyonder, from there they began to know him as "Post-retcon beyonder". The glory (Dr. he is omnipresent. Anyway Beyonder is infinitely more powerful than most of the shit in marvel including multiversal threats like Galactus and Thanos. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. "The Beyond" was quintillions of times more massive than the Marvel Universe. Stop the omnipotent debate, the closest thing to that is Pre Retcon Beyonder in the 80s and TOAA for later eras on average. He was TOAA, before he was introduced. 4 years ago. 2. Beyonder would be stomped. Pre retcon beyonder was more of a plot device than a character lol. This is way larger than the entire Marvel verse and DC verse. 13. As you stated King, there's really nothing we know of the Primal Monitor, so Beyonder wins by feats alone. By Kevin Irizarry Updated Mar 28, 2023 The Beyonder and the One-Above-All are godlike beings in the Marvel Universe, but one is definitely a more supreme being. If we assume the latter, then Deku and Bakugo would get destroyed by him and TOAA. 7. Azathoth is TOAA of lovecraft. If by classic beyonder you mean the most powerful version, then its a stalemate. Manhattan. However, just like DC, Marvel doesn't get super into the whole infinite universes within infinite universes stuff like Umineko does, so he might end up getting stomped too. and it's the rules of the. 5 characters that can beat that living tribunal,marvel characters who can defeat the living tribunal,4 characters that can defeat celestials,5 marvel cosmic. Kitsunw. Didnt the latest showing of TOAA makes it clear that HOTU was a small portion of TOAA's power? I say the Beyonder still wins, only TOAA can defeat him. [deleted] • 8 yr. Darwin is able to limitlessly adapt to survive certain death situations. There would be no fight. Team Lucifer Morningstar - vs - Team Beyonder #. So I would say it would have to be the TOAA, seeing how cannonically, Lucifer's multiverse is the same as DC's and Lucifer is so far above literally everyone in that multiverse that few even know he exists. 56 results. Ervin_Pepper • 8 yr. TOAA (Starlin/Milgrom) in 03' created THOTI to be the most powerful force in all Marvel. Now, Beyonder doesn't work like that, and is more ore less considered TOAA level, not above, but about the closest thing you could get to TOAA without being TOAA. INB4 LOCK. It was the fake beyonder who claimed to be the embodiment of a multiverse from beyond ours, however after the retcon it seems people have been believeing that the true. The Beyonders are characters that exist within the boundaries of Marvel Comics, which means TOAA is more powerful than them. It's actually arguable that Beyonder > TOAA based on feats. 1.