I see through many eyes. He was basically like if God tried to create a champion capable of doing just about everything that. 1. Pre-Retcon Beyonder was the most powerful being in the Marvel Universe. This means that TOAA is contained in it's creation and creation is contained in TOAA, but TOAA also transcends creation. [12] He is also. he is on my list of people who need to never appear in the Battle Threads again. ago. Respect Pre-Retcon Beyonder. bcs he is embodyment of writher than is boundless and far stronger than all characters hereYamcha vs The One Above All, Madoka Kaname, The Presence and Galactus. TOAA is omnipotent. Beyonder Doom 14. ReplyThe Beyonder is the physical manifestation of the beyond realm itself, the beyond realm is superior/transcendent over the marvel Multiverse in it's entirety, is beyond all planes of reality and myriad dimensions. ago. So he could just kill them and the concepts they represent. The only thing Pre retcon beyonder has going for him against featherine is that he was described as "god" in the beyonder realm to possibly put him on her level. Neutral TOAA, is a dubious omnipotent being, it just depends on the will of the writers. Follow 77. #edit #short #shorts #debate #comics #marvel #marvelcomics #alightmotion So you see, in order for TOAA to totally and permanently destroy the "Real" and "True" Beyonder aka the Beyonder God he has to kill Billy219 and everyone who has ever read Secret Wars or knows. 300 Xenomorph Warriors (Alien) r/LegionofSuperheroes • Legion of Super-Heroes (Volume 8) Interlac Translations Protege was getting the upper hand on Beyonder rather quicky b4 LT inturrupted their fight, i say Protege ". @professorrespect said: @chris2kzombieki said:Beyonder is tier High 1-B for being an infinite dimensional being meaning that the Marvel Universe has infinite dimensions confirmed. Well the Beyonder is infinite dimensional as well. And Beyonder's Void sees less of Marvel's Creation than Oblivion's Void does. All traits of a character are used for calculating the Classification. But no matter, marvel characters have existed long enough to flick them. It was implied that Beyonder was nothing more than a "child-unit" of the beyonder's race. 0. Beyonder was TOAA before creation or with more precise words, he. PR Beyonder > TOAA and all His/Its Omniverse Beyonder may have been from outside the Marvel multiverse, however he is still a Marvel property and would come under the jurisdiction of Marvels supreme being. TOAA is basically the Writer's manifistation with-in the story. He was like the 2nd strongest guy in Marvel, only underneath the One Above All. In other words, every individual hero, villain, plant, animal and atom is just a part of TOAA, but TOAA is also more than the summation of all of these. Not even beyonder is that powerful. 5 years ago. His. Yamcha will use his 0,00000000000001% power and Speed Equalized for this don't become a Spite Thread. Beyonder vs The Presence, Yahweh, TOAA. HOTU is directly powered by TOAA (starlin/writer). The PR Beyonder was defined as a multiverse composed of literally everything outside of that, and that existence shared a single consciousness. - MUSICvisual effects that I use in my videos!INSTAGRAM: nick_. Follow 16580. What I given I can take away, so: Richard Reeds and Sue Storm can take away Franklin Richards power. A fight which takes place on countless levels other than the physical. The Divine Order is where LT gets it's powers from. In terms of creation, TOAA can copy or recreate Rimuru and Anos' power. As the Fight inclines this is Tiamut who is I believe the strongest celestial ( I heard there was another. That's it. Spectre probably. Hajun via feats and implied power. A force that has created 4 separate planes of reality<dimension if you will>ie Death Fog's realm , Ruby eye , Darkstar and the last one i can't remember. it would be mostly stalemate. R5, same idea as R4. Otherwise he gets stopped by the big guns of Marvel who are multiversal++ like TOAA, The Beyonders (the race), The Fulcrum, Tiamut, Protege, PR Beyonder, PR Molecule Man, Scathan, The Living Tribunal, Heart of the Universe Thanos, etc. if anything. the fulcrum vs astral regulator thanos vs pre retcon beyonder. Toaa 2. Pre-ret Beyonder was not god, and he was not TOAA. . Who wins?PR Beyonder was at the time OMNIPOTENT -- He was supposed to the the TOAA equivalent from his own Megaverse!, it has been retconed a number of times but the retconns are irrelevant to the argument. Conditions: Everyone except TOAA. Ahl God Of Superheroes. No they don't, Beyonder (Weather it's Pre-Retcon or Post-Retcon) stomps Anti-Spiral and the whole Gurren Lagann universe. and it can be said so is spectre. Goku (dragonball) vs Darwin (marvel comics) Comics version of Darwin not movie. The-One-Above-All (also known as "Above All Others" or ''God'') is the overarching protagonist of the Marvel Universe. Neutral these battles dont make sense. 2. It is like TOAA vs Beyonder. Beyonder was just a very much younger and less evolved TOAA, so Marvel's TOAA might have it on experience and being around more and his knowledge in himself, which is where Beyonder lacked, as he. " Current beyonder wins, But lets get this straight: This Kami dude, he is not equivelent to TOAA. Yeah, Beyonder is retconned, but still seen as a specific character. 3 K The One-Above-All Neither of these two is defined as "The" supreme creator of the marvel omniverse, right, but TOAA seems more similar to such a being (if he indeed represents all the writers). Battles. I think you could argue rather convincingly that he's the 2nd moat powerful character in all of fiction, only behind TOAA. Veldavana was the creator of the Tensei Slime Multiverse which consisted of all Concepts and infinite Planes of Dimentions. and so Jim Starlin wrote Comics scenario, to his liking, how Thanos managed to take the astral regulator created by the TOAA and absorb it. Manhattan's league. The Chaos gods are tough to kill as they are powered by and represent concepts. 8 years ago. Beyonder is a supreme being from another universe, he is equal to TOAA. M. Team Beyonder - vs - Team The Spectre #. LT is backed by TOAA, he was still shown to be less than a fly to the Beyonder. Blunt statement, and based on common misconception. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder TOAA is Marvel and the Presence/Elaine Belloc is DC, but there's a quote by Jim Shooter and Stan Lee from Marvel that puts The Pre-Retcon Beyonder more higher--even above TOAA, (including Elaine Belloc AKA the Presence 2. Like this for instance in Secret Wars II beyonder was beyond the marvel multiverse, multiverse then later there was suddenly a omniverse all governed by TOAA, TOAA began with a multiverse and suddenly got a omniverse to play with, but do you see him get retcon no, but his power just grow exponentially, the same with LT in Secret Wars II he was. Originally posted by galan7777777 yeah i know, it wasnt about the real god lol! damn isnt it amazing how a topic can go from spectre v. ago. Team The Daughter Of Mortis I'm Unsure about this one. Thats because most Marvel and Beyonder know it all, like @Endless Mike do not post around here anymore. This Hulk has all the powers of The One Below All. And the SCP verse is on par with the Dark Tower when it comes to sheer size and scale. Khorne. PRB = TOAA = The Presence, then we have the Lucifer/ Owen Reese category then everything else in Marvel and DC are just foddler. Dormammu said: Beyonder outclasses her heavily, Featherine would be a better match. The Beyonders are powerful, but ultimately still finite. Here is the NEW Presence vs TOAA thread. TOAA in fact survived. This Beyonder had little respect for mortals and treated everything like a plaything. 1%. #7. Dude’s absolutely broken. Not even beyonder is that powerful. While Bruce may have had god's full power (and I doubt that he did) he lacks the. PR beyonder can take all and stalemate with TOAA. Requiring no energies to sustain him as Galactus does, Oblivion can choose not to be affected by the mortal plane if he doesn't want to be, a feat that few - including Galactus - cannot claim. That authority to lt was given by toaa while beyonder didn't get that authority from toaa. -Everything in bleach. He's a monster that made Multiversal galactus that stomped master order and lord chaos look like little brats. Dr Manhattan is a very proficient matter-energy manipulator. Cactus. So basically Superman is getting rolled over. TOAA isn't omnipotent anymore, and Beyonder is fodder. Beyonder is too big for the multiverse, his very presence alters the entire multiverse a great deal, without him even knowing it - Scan 1 and Scan 2The One-Above-All was created by Mark Waid and Mike Wieringo and first appeared in Fantastic Four #511. #3 CF12793. Round 1: Beyonder Vs ZRound 2: Beyonder Vs Kami TenchiRound 3: Beyonder Vs Truth (FMA). FAA could stalemate EGDB and (PR) Beyonder, 1v1. Pre-Retcon Beyonder, along with all other supreme deities in comics (Presence, TOAA, MoM, Thanos with HOTU, etc. The One-Above-All is Omnipotent (All Powerful), Omniscient (All Knowing), and Omnipresent (Everywhere). Pre Retcon Beyonder is more a match for things like SCP 239. The Crimson King decides he's bored and decides to start trolling other verses. . If this is The Presence with GEB inside him,his fight against TOAA will be stalemate and Beyonder is beyond anyone (besides TOAA and fully power The Presence),even The Primal Monitor. Team Beyonder - vs - Team The Spectre # 493 Team The Spectre Mandrakk is above presence, toaa and all characters here. fangirl101. s. If you have already registered once, do not do so again, and contact AKM sama if you encounter any problems. "The Beyond" was quintillions of times more massive than the Marvel Universe. They are a weaker subsection of the Beyonder race that is nowhere near as powerful as the army that defeated the abstracts of the multiverse. As. ago. beyonder was easily destroying multi verses. He's the literal definition of Outerverse, as he restored the entire MU after the HOTU-Thanos event. Wait if Defender Beyonder is above TOAA than Marvel truly retcon TOAA from being omnipotent to megaversal or omniversal level abstract than. 4. #1 Nicholas_Jones. At this point who’s the strongest character this doom could beat and who would be the. 4 years ago. We help you decide what wheel is right you. Or demonbane becoming a part of YA. However, PR Beyonder is an extremely powerful reality warper and is simply way out of Dr. PR Beyonder had full backing by Marvel Boss, Jim Shooter to do anything he wanted. They were both. I would say as well TOAA seems "more" omnipotent then Presence. Team The Daughter Of Mortis - vs - Team Beyonder #. 193 4. 56 results. Look stuff up for it. beyonder Yep, lol. If he was defeated then he’s not the. beyonder Yep, lol. So I would say it would have to be the TOAA, seeing how cannonically, Lucifer's multiverse is the same as DC's and Lucifer is so far above literally everyone in that multiverse that few even know he exists. DarkGodBane • 7 yr. It was the fake beyonder who claimed to be the embodiment of a multiverse from beyond ours, however after the retcon it seems people have been believeing that the true. and yes, its the considered the strongest character in fiction by all comicbook/anime forums. 1 year ago. And what does this mean? He was TOAA before TOAA? I don't get it. Goku dying of old age is a valid win condition for Darwin or vice versa if that can happen. . 0 coins. Knowledge of the other character/verse: No prior knowledge of each other. But Thanos with HoTU became one with all. He can destroy the omniverse with minimal effort. Mysterio Cosmic Comic 9. In the end Jim was a single employee within the company, his actions were- under review by his superiors. Bait? 1 year ago. Anyway Beyonder is infinitely more powerful than most of the shit in marvel including multiversal threats like Galactus and Thanos. " No actually there have been 3 different incarnations of the Beyonder with 3 different power levels. TOAA probably isn't more powerful than suggsverse characters. He was TOAA, before he was introduced. He like The Presence is far above the officially strongest without being the supreme. there are many verse bigger and stronger than marvel like DC. A resisting Beyonder isn't stronger than a non-resisting TOAA, because the TOAA can do anything he wants so he never has to resist anything happening to him (I hope that makes sense)Quacken_ 6 mo 6 d. 33. 9 years. [deleted] • 8 yr. If we assume the latter, then Deku and Bakugo would get destroyed by him and TOAA. Heck, even the ones who created said multiverse and pretty casually at that are massively inferior to him. ago. -5. As he had the ability to stop the Beyonder(s) should he have chosen. DC team : The Darkest Knight, Perpetua and Doctor Manhattan. AFAIK this Spiderman recreated the universe. What I given I can take away, so: Richard Reeds and Sue Storm can take away Franklin Richards power. There would be no fight. #1 Edited By TheSuperor. TOAA (Starlin/Milgrom) in 03' created THOTI to be the most powerful force in all Marvel. Only the Great Evil Beast is equal to The Presence. Well unless we scale all Buddha “feats” from real mythology. Not only this, due to scaling, Hajun has taken. TOAA: Got KOed by Thanos with the Regulator, stated he wasn't omnipotent unless the multiverse had "order", smaller multiverse. He was even above and beyond the writing staff . We all know TOAA, but Enigma (Defenders:Beyond #5) and The Lost One (All Out Avengers #4) seem positioned to be more powerful than TOAA. DC hasn't even created beings on his level, because they realize that something that powerful. #14. The winner would just be based on whose power takes priority over the other, which is arbitrary. 2. Scenario: Through the miracle of TOAA, Living Tribunal summoned the most powerful army in the existence of Marvel to fight the entire race of Beyonders outside Marvel-verse. Kuuko273. #1 quandaledingle. Reactions: Endless_Astrograph_Sorcerer. No prep for either. You cannot write a more powerful character than him without transforming from a character to a plot device. Molecule Man Beyonder Power 15. ) should be banned from the Battles Forum, as any fight they're in will end with. 2,459 485. TOAA is the strongest character in fiction because he is the creator of the marvel universe. The "Nuh-uh, Presence is not omnipotent. But it turns out the current Beyonder is the source of the power for God Emperor Doom and technical Molecule Man. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. In general as the Supreme Beings. Comics Explained thinks that The Lost One is more powerful than the Enigma, but the Enigma seems to be an end-all kind of threat whereas the Lost One seems to be a Beyonder-Hunter kind. Marvel Cinematic Universe is going crazy day by day. The first version of Beyonder should be able to beat anything and anyone in Marvel. 0) and that's “being millions and millions of times more powerful than Marvel. Please only register if you have an autoconfirmed account there, as otherwise your registration will be rejected. They can literally do whatever they want. TOAA: Got KOed by Thanos with the Regulator, stated he wasn't omnipotent unless the multiverse had "order", smaller multiverse. Pre retcon beyonder was the closest to TOAA I think any being has come to. Originally posted by galan7777777 yeah i know, it wasnt about the real god lol! damn isnt it amazing how a topic can go from spectre v. Beyonder 16. No it is not. Who will win in a fight between Beyonder and The Presence? Menu. the difference between TOAA and Beyonder is that TOAA embodies Marvel writers. TOAA is above all. so the problem is that, Oblivion kinda has an upgrade in ranks during the decades, in the past Oblivion was kinda in the same rank that Eternity, Infinite and lady death, but in more modern comics, is hinted that he is way above that, The Chaos King that was revealed to be just a avatar of oblivion, basically a strand of oblivion hair, was above Eternity, The Griever that was destroying the. Loki God Of Stories 17. Hence why people differentiate the beyonder as. Advertisement Coins. Neutral Close. We have arrived at the Conclusion of Defenders Beyond! The Defenders have come face to face with The One Above All! But not all is as it seems, and Blue Ma. Having incubated within a specialized "womb-space" created by his progenitors for an unknown amount of time, the Beyonder eventually became aware of existence apart from his own when a pinhole tore. Bugs' power of seduction could also cause significant problems for the Beyonder, as Bugs has. the Living Tribunal on the other hand is (depends on the current storyline) only defeated by Thanos with Hotu (which is basically TOAA) for a short time and by the pre-retcon Beyonder, who is a different chapter. Thanos would be able to overpower Cosmic Entities like the Beyonder and, on top of that, Thanos is more used to using power on this scale than Doom. Man-Thing Divine Creator's Staff 6. But this time we use current NON-OMNIPOTENT versions of the characters currently retconned. Beyonder, if not. CsmicRanker1314 1. He was stated to be millions of times powerful than the Entire Marvel Multiverse Combined which even included The Living Tribunal and Molecule Man and We all know that Living Tribunal is almost as Powerful As Michael Demiurgos. Even The. Forum Posts. infinity - infinity is still fucking infinity. 3. Forum Posts. The One Above All | MCOC | TOAA VS THE BEYONDER |. 9 years ago. Here is a scan where he states even he was shaped by external forces and he couldn't defeat the Great Evil Beast" camp and the "Yeah-huh, that scan is inconclusive as he could be referring to the writers and since the GEB was his other half, it might be just. -Everything in bleach. Untill than this is a stomp and should be closed due to their current levels on the wiki. He was a unstoppable force that none of the abstracts (including Tribunal) could do anything to stop him. He was the TOAA of his own multiverse, separate to that of the Marvel multiverse, before he came across the. Saying that Beyonder is stronger than TOAA is literally trying to say that Beyonder is above omnipotence. 4 years ago. s. [11] The One-Above-All is the sole creator of all existence in the Marvel Multiverse and possibly the Omniverse. toaa can do whatever he wants to do with beyonder. and also white phoenix cant beat toaa but im sure she can eaither salemate prerecton beyonder r at least beat him through. He was TOAA, before he was introduced. He had to use a large portion of his power to even effect concepts and was effected by physical attacks. Nix Uotan "The judge of all evil". The omniverse in a box feat is really debatable as proof of omniversal level. Toba Hulk 7. Pre-retcon Beyonder was insanely overpowered, and even though subsequent balance adjustments severely nerfed his powers, he still kept his insane reality-altering incalculable strength and much of his superhuman physique. Post-Retcon Molecule Man. vs. Team stomps 50% . @pisswaterball The Beyond Realm is completely separate from Marvel so TOAA has no control. Beyonder Beyonder Earth-616. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. Pre retcon Beyonder was literally TOAA level. By Kevin Irizarry Updated Mar 28, 2023 The Beyonder and the One-Above-All are godlike beings in the Marvel Universe, but one is definitely a more supreme being. Veldavana also existed in a plane void outside Everythingness and. The One-Above-All Neither of these two is defined as "The" supreme creator of the marvel omniverse, right, but TOAA seems more similar to such a being (if he indeed represents. " im sick of Beyonder. Beyonder would be stomped. The Presence stated that even he was shaped by “external” forces, whereas The One Above All is the one who shaped everything. so any one of then can easily defeat beyonder without even. Yeah, Beyonder is retconned, but still seen as a specific character. 3. I really can't be asked to go. @DJSNuva1 said: " Bruce=God Beyonder<God "Not true. -Beyonder/s are bloodlusted. ". the Beyonder was the supreme being of the Marvel Universe before the introduction of TOAA or Oblivion. Beyonder curbstomp slaughterhouse. DC_Marvel_1000 said: " Kentaxx said: "Dude PR Beyonder was the most powerful being in comics outside of gods like TOAA ". The Beyonder even confirmed that he was fully Omnipotent, being on-par with TOAA since he was able to defeat Molecule Man, who Eternity, Infinity and other Cosmic Abstract entities, including The Living Tribunal were frightened of and Molecule Man was specified to be the most powerful being in Marvel, but Molecule Man was absolutely terrified. @Matezoide said: " One Above All celestial = Beyonder kicks his @ss One Above All god = TOAA makes Beyonder cry ". The Beyonders are powerful, but ultimately still finite. #edit #short #shorts #debate #comics #marvel #marvelcomics #alightmotionAbout Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise. @TheLegendary32 said:. Normal beyonder loses terribly 13 years ago. 56 results. Marvel vs DC. Stop the omnipotent debate, the closest thing to that is Pre Retcon Beyonder in the 80s and TOAA for later eras on average. Marvel is a pretty strong verse, but is there anyone who can beat it? Even with a VS as wide ranging as battling the whole Marvel-verse, it still helps to get some specifics nailed down in the OP. This. if we are highballing then this Beyonder said to be the toaa before the toaa meaing he is omnipotent. Created by Loony_Toony. He’s supposed to be the number 2 behind. Prepare for. If we assume the former, then Deku and Bakugo would destroy the musician and then get destroyed by TOAA. Those guy would curbstomp Manhatten. ". Zeus (mythoology) vs The One Above All. PR Beyonder, TOAA. Beyonder is beyond the universe. . . Aug 10, 2018 #25 Well beyonder is just fiction to oblivion. Sẽ có sự nhầm lẫn, Beyonder là hiện thân của Đa vũ trụ, là tập hợp các yếu tố định luật vật lý của đa Vũ trụ lúc chưa hình thành, nghĩa là ở một đẳng cấp mà không một thực thể hay. Juggernaut ToAA and Phoenix they are played out and over-hyped. Featherine. Jayfournines. (Is a Aspect of true TOAA, probably the Strongest aspect, because he dreams everything in marvel except the HOI, and he dreamed the love and hate the weapons of TOBA, and TOAA,. ~ Stan Lee Pre-Retcon beyonder could be said to be the "God before genesis" he was God before TOAA existed in the comics at that time, and when TOAA came into existence as an omnipotent character they had to greatly reduce the power of the Beyonder, from there they began to know him as "Post-retcon beyonder". SCP 3812. 7 K. " Like it could be as simple as that if the writer really wanted to. Beyonder was later retconned apparently because Tom DeFalco didn't like Jim Shooter and in 1990 and everything that was attributed to god after that was TOAA. According to Marvel, a single celestial has. #4 ironthor1. The Beyonder and the One-Above-All both have a decent claim to being the most powerful character in the Marvel Universe. His main motivation was to learn more about good and evil. Yeah All Mighty Wins. The latter is one of the few fights that's actually 10/10, as in there is no conceivable way for Dr. TOAA is basically the Writer's manifistation with-in the story. . Given that he included the IG, its fair to assume that he wanted it to work. I. The One Above All has no equal. Almighty and TOAA are essentially the same thing so there's really no debate. along with. s. It's actually arguable that Beyonder > TOAA based on feats. "Beyonder stomp "I don't think so! First of most people consider TOAA(fulcrum) to be slightly above Beyonder in the end. 47. TOAA was the supreme being of the marvel multiverse (interchangeably called universe) and everything in it. #28 ovy7. Originally posted by galan7777777 yeah i know, it wasnt about the real god lol! damn isnt it amazing how a topic can go from spectre v. TOAA has no powers. the spectre with the presence backing. @Pr_Beyonder: LT could very well beat Lucifer. Thus the beyonder was never greater than the marvel megaverse (all of the marvel company), nor was he greater than those who controlled him (his superiors aka TOAA). TOAA mops the floor with these two. Thought Robot without any effort. Poll The Scarlet King vs TOAA, Azathoth, Lucifer Morningstar, Empty Hand and Pre Retcon Beyonder (12 votes) Scarlet King 50% . Oh boy, Michael wins. " Current beyonder wins, But lets get this straight: This Kami dude, he is not equivelent to TOAA. Today's TOAA was taken from the Beyonder blueprint, since TOAA is arguably and "supposedly" more powerful than the Presence before he replaced himself with Elaine Belloc, who was not. Meaning he became everything and everyone. They are not beyonders and are instead a subservient race for them, ala the Mapmakers or the Sidera Maris and so on. Beyonder for the curbstomp. Marvel's cosmology and hax are shit. Not sure why this thread was even made Are you talking multiple pre retcon beyonders Or multiple current beyonders ( meaning the ones who killed TLT) Because this has already played out before Dr room stole their power but only with the help of molecule man and he's the one who held on to most ofbthe powerJul 2, 2016. Forum Posts. Nhiều Fan cho rằng One Above All (TOAA) là sở hữu quyền năng tuyệt đối và đứng đầu Đa vũ trụ và hơn hẳn Beyonder. So you just put Anti-Monitor against the guy. And he loses. In times where he was not the absolute power in the situation, it was passed off as an M-Body. They were both supreme powers above the LT. Both fighters understand to sum level that they each "become more powerful over time" but not the specifics (adapting to survive/zenkai boosts and transformations)The PR Beyonder was hands-down the most powerful antagonist Marvel ever produced, and the greatest multiverse-buster from any company. He even has some degree of control over it (like when he merged with Vulcan as a being of pure energy to give Vulcan the power he needed). About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. Max Deen. Dante 1 y 7 d. Vs Battles Wiki knows should be taken with a bucketload of salt, that said. The PR Beyonder was defined as a multiverse composed of literally everything outside of that, and that existence shared a single consciousness. TOBA is just TOAA's alternate persona. At that time, The Beyonder was more powerful than the Living Tribunal and thus everything else in the Marvel Universe. There is still reason to believe You Sothoth exceeds Beyonder. From secret wars there was only one beyonder. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. same gods in the marvel verse would effortlessly stomp kaguya. Impossibly powerful and unimaginably wise, the Living Trinity's power far outclasses beings like Thanos, Galactus, and the Celestials!. Nope that’s pre-retcon not post retcon. Thus he is more more powerful than Fulcrum who may or may not be associated with TOAA. The Beyonder is supposedly TOAA of a different fiction all together an even more complex fiction at that. 21 48 48 comments Best material-world • 2 yr. Glory stomps. 6.